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post #1 of 16 Old 05-14-2013, 09:23 AM Thread Starter
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2016 Chevrolet Camaro: Smaller and Lighter? Look Out, Next-Gen Mustang

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As part of their feature 25 Cars Worth Waiting For: 20142017, Car and Driver did a segment on the 2016 Chevrolet Camaro. Should Ford be worried?



WHAT IT IS: The classic all-American four-seat performance coupe. A convertible is also a certainty. The sixth-generation model will draw inspiration from the Euro-styled second-gen Camaro RS (19701981).

WHY IT MATTERS: Today's model has thrived as a roomier, more affordable alternative to the Corvette, and as a source of pride to the haters of  Ford, Dodge, and imported rear-drive coupes.

PLATFORM: The Camaro moves to GM's Alpha component set (Cadillac ATS and other future GM models) to save significant weight and cost.

POWERTRAIN: Expect eight-, six-, and four-cylinder offerings, the last to fulfill rising mpg obligations while fighting a growing list of four-cylinder-equipped foes, including the SRT Barracuda, Subaru BRZ, Scion FR-S, Ford Mustang, and Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

COMPETITION: See above.

WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG: GM designers could misinterpret Camaro's thin sales lead over Mustang and neglect critically needed interior upgrades.

ESTIMATED ARRIVAL AND PRICE: Late 2015 as a 2016 model, with a base price in the mid-$20,000 range.
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Here's another car coming out to compete with the Mustang.

2015 SRT Barracuda: All-New Global Platform, Bad-Ass Retro Badge



WHAT IT IS: A rear-drive coupe and convertible that will replace at least the Dodge Challenger SRT8 if not the whole Challenger lineup.

WHY IT MATTERS: A fresh update on the pony-car theme, the Barracuda keeps the SRT (Street and Racing Technology) portfolio stable at five models. Less weight and an expanded range of powertrains will give Chrysler a leg up in the CAFE battle.

PLATFORM: Significantly smaller and lighter than the current Chrysler 300–based Challenger, the Barracuda will sport a strut front suspension and multilink rear. The 'Cuda's new platform is engineered for global markets and will also underpin Alfa Romeo, Lancia, and Maserati coupes, sedans, and spiders [see "Smoked-Fish Spread," October 2012].

POWERTRAIN: Four-, six-, and eight-cylinder engines ranging from 2.0 liters to 6.2 liters, most with direct injection. At least one Hemi V-8 will continue, and a supercharged Hemi is a distinct possibility. The transmission choices should include conventional and dual-clutch automatics, plus a six- or seven-speed stick.

COMPETITION: Traditional Camaro and Mustang foes, plus Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ.

WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG: New and improved Camaros and Mustangs could leave it in the dust of the Planet Fitness parking lot.

ESTIMATED ARRIVAL AND PRICE: Late 2014 as a 2015 model, with base prices ranging from mid-$20Ks to high-$40Ks.
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I know GM had a whole bunch of new V8's coming out and had plans to drop the new Camaro on Cadillac's alpha platform, so with that being said, yes the Mustang could be in trouble.

Alpha platform Camaro just means a killer camaro, something better than what we currently have.
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Hey you forgot to add the C&D piece about the 2015 Mustang



Call it Ford's Declaration of Independents. After half a century of log-axle Mustangs with only one brief experiment with an independently suspended rear end (the 1999–2004 SVT Cobra), Ford will hang a split-and-jointed drive axle beneath the 2015 Mustang's hindquarters. Considering that both the Chevrolet Camaro and Dodge Challenger already have independent rears, it's not quite as revolutionary as "We hold these truths . . ." But even with today's outdated rigid axle, the Mustang is already our favorite in this class, and a new unibody platform with its wheelbase and front and rear tracks all cinched tighter should help keep the Ford ahead of its peers.

While the current Mustang is slavishly, unimaginatively retro, Ford has pretty much mined out its glory days, the as-yet unrealized Mustang II redux notwithstanding. So the next car will be fearlessly modern. Many Mustang faithful are up in arms at the *prospect of Ford's next hot rod looking too much like the 2011 Evos concept car, but we have confidence. Between the Focus and the Fusion, Ford's styling department is on a hot streak.

The next Mustang will have at least one retro cue, though: an available turbocharged four-cylinder engine. Absent from the lineup since the 1986 SVO, the forced-induction four returns in the guise of Ford's EcoBoost 2.0-liter, which makes 252 horsepower in the Focus ST. Don't expect that figure to change much for the Mustang, where the 2.0 will sit between the car's two currently available engines. Priced higher than a revised version of the 3.7-liter V-6—rated at 305 horses in today's car—the four will be pitched as a balance of power and efficiency. Ford's 5.0-liter V-8 will top the range. The Blue Oval can't afford to leave the Camaro ZL1 unchallenged, and so another GT500 is a certainty; less certain, however, is what will power it. Pedestrian-protection standards will restrict the underhood clearances in the next car, cutting the space available not just for the Shelby's top-mount supercharger and intercooler, but also its tall-deck engine block. We suspect Ford will find a way to nestle a pair of turbos against the 5.0's block. With all engines, a six-speed manual will be standard, and we hear that an eight-speed automatic will arrive fashionably late.

Commonly referred to as a "1964-1/2" but technically a 1965, the first Mustang appeared at the New York World's Fair on April 17, 1964. Ford isn't going to miss the opportunity to throw the Mustang one heck of a 50th birthday party. April 17, 2014 will be a Thursday. It should be significantly more exciting than your average Thursday.

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I know GM had a whole bunch of new V8's coming out and had plans to drop the new Camaro on Cadillac's alpha platform, so with that being said, yes the Mustang could be in trouble.

Alpha platform Camaro just means a killer camaro, something better than what we currently have.
Well if this is the case and the best ford could come out with for the mustang was to make it a turbocharged four cylinder than they already lost. This sucks
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Don't give up yet we still haven't heard anything about the Boss mustangs or the cobra. I don't think they will ever give up any of those. if that were to happen then it will be totally over. I have my faith in ford.
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2015 is looking like a great year for American Muscle fans. I am loving all three cars right now. Anyone knows if the Dodge Challenger is getting a facelift?



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Based on these renderings. I'm actually really liking the look of the new Camaro. The front end grabs more attention compared to the Barracuda and Mustang IMO. I also prefer the more rounded body style. Of course, I will reserve judgement until I see the actual cars for comparison. 2015 will be a competitive year for muscle cars.
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What is this alpha platform that every one is raving about in the chevy world?
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What is this alpha platform that every one is raving about in the chevy world?
Apparently its a platform that the chevy performance line will be using for all everything. sounds like a lego car platform to me. guess the engineer just all their eggs in one basket and expect the most out of it.
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